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. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of a to yahoo! stocks, are suddenly the comeback kids of the fourth quarter. we're separating winners from losers. >>> plus, sell signal. if insiders are heading for the exits, should you be, too? >>> and we're talking real estate and the fiscal cliff with dolly lens. but first, let's get straight to our top story, and that is the haggling in washington, d.c. president obama's meeting with house speaker john boehner this hour. john, what should we expect? >> we expect the meeting to last something less than an hour between the speaker and the president of the united states. a republican lea
. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of...
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we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this
we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you...
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you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air lines buying a 49% stake in virgin atlantic today. we'll talk to the ceo about the deal and what it means for the airline's future after the break. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico
you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air...
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speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >> awfully tough to get a read this morning. a lot of the public commentary has been critical, as you know. but we are seeing signs that at least the talks are progressing. we've got counteroffers going back and forth. are you more or less optimistic than you were, say, last week? >> i've gone back and forth week to week. thinking we'll get a deal. then we won't. today, i think it's probably just better than 50/50 that we get a deal. it likely won't be until after christmas. >> yeah, the calendar -- that seems to be the issue right now. you're running out of time to get it done this year. >> it looks like it
speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >>...
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speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the table here and maybe we can start to deal. but right now, i'm in a lot of political pain up here on capitol hill. >> let's get the market context in all of this, with this, a little bit of give and take, eamon, we're seeing the s&p futures up by a third of a percent. at the market highs of the day, prior to when senator reid threw some cold water on hopes that they're inching closer to a deal here. so, in the after hours, it is interpreted as being a positive development in if fiscal cliff negotiations. >> and it was -- >> that's right. >> it was all day
speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the...
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john boehner is trying to valiantly make a compromise. as he said today he's not getting anywhere at all, okay? mr. obama wants higher tax rates. he also wants more revenues from capping deductions. he wants no entitlement reform or nothing to speak of. no discussion of spending cuts. obama wants even more spending increases. and a lot of republicans, conservatives, are saying you know what? we don't want a tax hike at all. we give boehner credit but we don't want a tax hike. this is not the time. it's a very anemic economy. let's just let the democrats have their tax hike and we'll be done with it. other than that, jimmy, i don't think this thing gets done. that's what i'm coming around to. >> well, i think that there's a chance to that. a chance for that to happen in the scenario that you just described. but i don't think that is what happens. frankly, i think with the vice president saying today that the issue of whether the top rate is 39.6 or 37 it's really doesn't matter. that was a huge olive branch as our colleague just said. this
john boehner is trying to valiantly make a compromise. as he said today he's not getting anywhere at all, okay? mr. obama wants higher tax rates. he also wants more revenues from capping deductions. he wants no entitlement reform or nothing to speak of. no discussion of spending cuts. obama wants even more spending increases. and a lot of republicans, conservatives, are saying you know what? we don't want a tax hike at all. we give boehner credit but we don't want a tax hike. this is not the...
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we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move that money finally into cheaper, more tax efficient and better profits etf has to offer. >> trader talk column, trader talk cnbc.com in a few moments. that's what's hot, etfs. back to you. >> we look forward to that very much. thanks, guys. gold market selling off a little bit. at the close, sharon epperson tracking the action at the nymex. moving into stocks and out of the metals. >> they are. we're seeing a little bit of weakness in the gold futures price. gold etfs held up steadily over the last several weebs as well as record levels, in fact. in term of the flat pr
we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move...
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not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay ordinary, right? you agree to that. they don't have to raise the rates. >> did you readed article that harvard is the hedge fund that has the university on the side? >> i don't know. >> $27 billion hedge fund. >> you agree with me they ought to switch the rate with ordinary income. >> i'm not -- look, it's a tax increase but you can offset it by tax cuts elsewhere. you could do tax reform in such a way that long as it doesn't net money to the government. if the government sees additional cash they go, oh, and they dro
not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay...
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. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final ana
. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the...
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but that not true among the rank and file and therefore john boehner and leadership haven't been able to take that position and that is kind of stuck right now. >> joe, it is brian. i know you talk to those folks off the record as well. ip get it. a this point the president's plan can only be viewed as punitive. the money raised is about a fourth of what medicare alone wastes through fraudulent spending in a year. everyone understanding basic math knows it won't make a difference for anything. it is already spent with the post office and fha bailout. does the white house privately acknowledge this point? do they understand how big the deficit is verse thus small amount of money? >> of course they understand it. i don't accept what you just said, ryan. >> you can't debate math. >> well, you called it punitive. and i -- >> i i'm just wondering if that's what it is at this point? >> i don't think it is. look, the white house negotiated a deal with republicans last year to cut a trillion dollars out of discretionary spending. they are looking for a $4 trillion deal. that's one-fourth of t
but that not true among the rank and file and therefore john boehner and leadership haven't been able to take that position and that is kind of stuck right now. >> joe, it is brian. i know you talk to those folks off the record as well. ip get it. a this point the president's plan can only be viewed as punitive. the money raised is about a fourth of what medicare alone wastes through fraudulent spending in a year. everyone understanding basic math knows it won't make a difference for...
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i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every developed country in the world knows this is the greatest threat to our nation. economists on both sides of the aisle know this is the greatest threat in our nation. and hopefully they'll solve this. but right now, there's no question in my mind that the president has the slight upper hand in the negotiations, and my point was, there's a way of changing that leverage very, very quickly by the house sending over a bill that freezes rates on the 98% of the population that are going to be affected. >> senator, in terms of the top 2%, how much do you see the
i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every...
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for you, it's the house and boehner need to rise above. for me, it's everybody needs to rise. it's not a partisan thing. it's a let's do this. >> what about marc andreessen? let's not rise above anything. >> he's like one of the only people. we've got all this -- >> okay. >> we gave you one. >> there's a sink below caucus. >> here it is. you want me to tie my tie like you? >> put it on your tie. it's like a rorschach. it can mean anything to you. we just want to get this done. >> my styist would not be happy with this look. >> your stylist has got a lot of work to do. that's not your problem right there. oil prices are hanging around $86 a barrel while gold prices are tumbling following the fed delayed decision to push ahead with another round of stimulus measures. guy wolf, let's look at the trading block here. different markets and see. guy wolf is macro strategist at marex speculation and jim moor yo is on constantly on cnbc. unless there's more than one of him. joining from the cme. as i said, a cnbc contributocon. guy, i'll start with you. i just referenced and we had jas
for you, it's the house and boehner need to rise above. for me, it's everybody needs to rise. it's not a partisan thing. it's a let's do this. >> what about marc andreessen? let's not rise above anything. >> he's like one of the only people. we've got all this -- >> okay. >> we gave you one. >> there's a sink below caucus. >> here it is. you want me to tie my tie like you? >> put it on your tie. it's like a rorschach. it can mean anything to you. we...